We Need to Talk About Those Echo Lake Tree Stumps

I first noticed the underwater tree stumps a few years ago. No, I first saw them years ago. But I did not take notice. I knew they were fake, but I never questioned them. I dismissed them as an ordinary feature of a regular lake. But the Echo Lake tree stumps are no ordinary vegetable. When you start peeling back the layers, you don’t find the core of an onion. You find a rift in logic.

Echo Lake is one of the defining landmarks of Disney’s Hollywood Studios. It’s a bit of scenery, nothing more. Disney names this section of the park after the lake, because what else are they gonna call it? Stuntshow Singalong Land? If you’re going to the Main Street section of Magic Kingdom, you look for the street. If you’re going to the Echo Lake section of Hollywood Studios, you go to the lake.

So why did they go to the trouble of making Echo Lake so utterly and totally weird?

They don’t stock it with fish. They don’t allow seaweed to spring up. There’s no layer of silt on the bottom. The whole thing is essentially a giant swimming pool in the middle of Disney’s Hollywood Studios.

Echo Lake drained, revealing the base of Dinosaur Gertie
On rare occasions, they drain it for maintenance.

Out of this same concrete extrudes a series of weird sculptures. We’re talking full-sized dinosaurs with no actual legs. Tramp steamers with no keels. Even the little island in the middle is little more than a glorified volcanic pimple rising straight out of the bottom of the lake. Unlike some islands, they can’t make this one disappear.

Oh, and did we mention the whole thing is a near-perfect oval?

Echo Lake is literally the shape of Mickey Mouse’s right ear. Imagineers turned a giant man-made lagoon into a secret worthy of Sherlock Holmes himself. The whole thing seems to exist mainly as a jaw-dropping reveal — but only from thousands of feet in the air. It was once part of the largest “Hidden Mickey” in existence (now eroded by other construction). It’s a freaking Nazca crop circle sitting in the heart of one of the most popular theme parks on the planet.

Echo Lake forms one ear of a large Hidden Mickey, as seen on the map of Disney MGM Studios
They even showed it on the guidebook. Do you see it?

Yet somehow, the Echo Lake tree stumps may be the weirdest part of the whole area.

Where Are The Echo Lake Tree Stumps?

The three tree stumps are clustered on the northwest side of Echo Lake. If you walked straight out of the Hollywood & Dine buffet, you’d find them. Two of them still have the dead tree trunks that go with them. The third is off a short distance away by itself.

They are all unapologetically fake. They are mere fiberglass representations of real tree stumps. Honestly, they’re kind of bad. The sculpting is plain, with some basic grooves to represent bark. There are a few stubby root protuberances, and a tiny amount of dimensional sculpting on top where the trees have been sawed through. The paint job is uniform and utterly brown.

They look like somebody’s bad garden decoration. The sort of themed plastic covering that you hide the spare key under (more on this in a moment).

And here’s the kicker: They are not out in the open. The darn things are entirely underwater.

The Echo Lake tree stumps are submerged under normal conditions.
This is the normal water level in Echo Lake, though it can fluctuate.

Let that sink in (no pun intended). That’s one reason we’ve seen them, but didn’t notice them. They lurk just below the surface of Echo Lake — fully submerged, like the lost city of Atlantis. There are no dinosaurs selling ice cream over here. The little courtyard nearby actually has a name — Keystone, modeled after the real Keystone Studios area of Echo Park in Hollywood. But there’s a good chance you didn’t know that. Because the only things over here are a buffeteria and a slushy stand. If you’ve been this way at all, it’s probably because you’re using it as a short cut to the Indiana Jones Epic Stunt Spectacular.

Despite this, these tree stumps exist. And we need to figure out why.

An Obvious Tree Stump Explanation

Am I being somewhat hyperbolic? Of course. There is a perfectly obvious reason for the Echo Lake tree stumps to exist. It has to do with the fountain in the center of the lagoon.

A fountain means plumbing. Pipes and pumps. Maybe even warp zones to the Mushroom Kingdom. If Disney wants Echo Lake to resemble a lush primordial lagoon — home to Gertie the Dinosaur — then maybe it’s best if we can’t see all that infrastructure under the clear water.

Yes, those tree stumps are nothing more than basic coverings. There’s a lengthy bit of pipe that starts on this end of Echo Lake and traverses almost to the other side. The fountain mechanism is anchored somewhere in the middle of the pipe. The tree stumps are housing pumps or other equipment near the shore.

A look at the Echo Lake tree stumps when drained.
When Echo Lake is drained, these things are even less impressive.

This explains why the stumps don’t need to be finely detailed pieces of theme park architecture. The water is helping to sell the illusion. If the Echo Lake tree stumps were on dry land, they’d call attention to just how bare bones and fake they were. But distorted by lake water on a random summer day in Florida, they blend in.

But still, it’s a strange choice. Why are they even bothering with this? Echo Lake is not the first body of water in Disney World to have a fountain in it. We’re not aware of a specialized team of tree stump fabricators who roam the property, concealing the plumbing from guests to prevent a traumatizing break in theming.

In fact, if you wanted Echo Lake to seem like a natural lake, it would be better to have no fountain at all.

And is “dead tree stump” the best idea for camouflage? They already have fake cargo crates from the Dockside Diner over there on shore. They could just build some floating crates to hide the plumbing. You wouldn’t call Keystone Courtyard woodsy. It’s more like a nice city block. Why would there be sawed-off cypress trees submerged near this one section of shoreline?

Let’s Make It Weirder

We keep yammering on about the tree stumps, but so far we’ve glossed over the two tree trunks themselves, which are still there.

That fountain pipe we’ve been talking about? It’s got a tree trunk shell wrapped over the top, making it look like the fallen tree is still under the water. It extends straight out from one of the stumps. The coverage on the pipe is a little spotty. It’s more of a half-shell than a full wrapping. There are noticeable gaps. But again, because it’s always fully submerged, it’s enough to sell the illusion of a dead tree lying at the bottom of the lake.

This thing even has the occasional stubby branch sticking off of it. Why? The tree branches aren’t performing any operational purpose. They are pure decoration, to help sell the illusion — an illusion, I will remind you, of something you’re not even supposed to be looking at.

This is a baffling series of logical leaps. They want the lagoon to seem like a natural habitat. But they put a fountain in it. The fountain is to add beauty. But the pipes detract from that. So they conceal the pipes under a facade made to look like rotting deadwood. The lake is natural, then unnatural, then natural again. Average, then made prettier, then uglified.

Then there is the second dead tree.

The dead trees criss-cross each other under Echo Lake
X marks the spot

This one is much shorter than the one covering the fountain pipe. And according to the designer’s logic, it was felled after the first tree. We know this because it has fallen at an acute angle to the first tree trunk, literally landing on top of the other tree.

We’re sure that this too has a camouflage purpose. We assume there is another auxiliary pipe under there, leading from under the stump out to the main pipe. Like its much-taller brother, this tree has the sculpted bark and a decorative branch.

It must be noted that all of these props — the three stumps, the two sections of tree trunk — are customized specifically for the Echo Lake configuration. They are not buying them from Stumps R Us. They are meant to be arranged exactly as they appear. How do we know this? The second tree trunk has a little notch under it so that it can rest neatly on the first tree trunk like a Lincoln Log.

Up until now, we’ve been trying to give them the benefit of the doubt. Disney wants to hide the infrastructure with some underwater props. That’s commendable. We love it. It may be weird how they’re doing it, and they’re spending a lot of unnecessary time on details that nobody is thinking about. But hey, that’s what this entire site is about. More power to them.

But then this second dead tree turns around and stabs them in the back.

The stumps and the long tree trunk are fully submerged at normal water levels. But the knobby little tip of the second tree is always sticking up out of the water. What was once a mechanism of concealment is now calling attention to itself, when nobody was even looking for it.

The Best Explanation We Can Come Up With

Why does it not bother Disney that their underwater tree is jutting up out of the swamp like a snag hazard for the S.S. Down the Hatch?

We know these Echo Lake tree stumps are deliberate. We’ve discovered submerged relics in the past, and those were always leftovers from a bygone time.

We’ll try on a theory. This is pure conjecture on our part. We have no firsthand knowledge of any of this. We only have a lifetime of reading all that early Walt Disney World literature about how all the water levels across the entire property are carefully controlled. Flood tables in Florida are tricky beasts. Disney likes to talk about their complex system of canals and locks that can balance things out in a thunderstorm.

Unlike many of the man-made lakes and rivers across property, Echo Lake is isolated like a swimming pool. It doesn’t have the various in/out channels like World Showcase Lagoon or Cinderella Castle moat or even the Rivers of America (RIP). It’s entirely possible that during rainy periods, the water level in the lagoon needs to fluctuate to avoid flooding.

Maybe it’s not a constant water level every day, all day. Maybe the water level is sometimes low, and sometimes high. We know that in the early days of Disney’s Hollywood Studios, there were floating planters clustered around Echo Lake. Even today during Christmas season, they’ll have light-up giant ornaments floating out there.

Maybe they just couldn’t figure out a way to keep all the pumps and plumbing submerged when the water is at its lowest.

Enter the tree stump specialists.

Rather than unsightly pipes, conduits, and rivets protruding from the surface of the water during low tide, someone had the idea to cover them with tree stumps and fallen branches instead. All things being equal, it would be great if you never had to bother with it. But if the logistics simply didn’t work, a few custom props could help mask the ugliness.

Hey, it’s just a theory. But maybe there’s a way to have some fun with it.

Make it a Stretch… No, Make it a Super Stretch

Walk with me for a bit. All the way back to an early Parkeology article about Gertie the Dinosaur. She’s more than just an ice cream stand. Based on the theming that’s in place around the Indiana Jones Epic Stunt Spectacular, we’re meant to believe that Gertie is (or was once) a living, breathing dinosaur.

We know this, because she left footprints in the pavement — even some in the flower beds. This implies that she meandered into the scene at some point in the distant past, plopped herself down in the cool waters of Echo Lake, and started selling Mickey bars.

This is entirely in keeping with Dinosaur Gertie’s historic significance. She’s one of the very first animated cartoon character — not from Disney at all! Her big claim to fame is how she interacted with her live animator, Winsor McCay, who treated her like a pet dog. It’s a gimmick that Walt Disney himself borrowed with his early Alice comedies.

In the film — which is a black and white short movie from 1914 — Gertie does little dances. She growls at sea serpents (we at Parkeology know that feeling well). She even throws a baby elephant in the lake.

Did we say lake? Yes we did. Gertie does all this beside an unnamed lake. Also beside the lake is… a tree.

During the movie, Gertie gets hungry. She’s a sauropod, after all. As Dr. Grant Seeker is fond of noting, sauropods are vegetarians. That means the only snack in sight is the tree. Gertie puts her head sideways, leans in next to the stump of the tree, and neatly bites the entire tree trunk away.

She quickly devours the top part of the tree. And then a bit later, she rips up the entire rest of the stump and eats that too. So now we have photographic evidence of a tree-eating dinosaur, within shouting distance of our Echo Lake tree stumps!

Could Dinosaur Gertie have been roaming around the entire lake — even as far as the Keystone section on the far side of the lagoon, home to those iconic Echo Lake tree stumps? Sure, it’s possible.

Listen: There’s nothing to really suggest this. All we have are some themed footprints. But they only appear very close to Dinosaur Gertie herself. For that matter, they seem to be coming from the direction of Star Tours, not the tree stumps.

Yes, Gertie and the tree stumps are connected by a body of water. But the distance between them is just enough that it’s hard to link them. You might as well blame Gertie for eating the tops of the Ewok Village trees over at Star Tours. Those are roughly the same distance away.

Furthermore, we’re talking about a cartoon from 1914. Virtually nobody visiting Disney’s Hollywood Studios even knows who Dinosaur Gertie is, much less is familiar with tree-eating plot of her cartoon. One doesn’t naturally associate dinosaurs with tree stumps.

But what if there was some way to put that little detail out in the open, for anyone who cares to look for it? We’re just spitballing here, but maybe they could have a little sign, that explains who Gertie the Dinosaur is and clearly shows her next to an old tree stump.

Could such a thing be possible?

Dinosaur Gertie's Ice Cream of Extinction sign
Disney’s Hollywood Studios used to have many such signs, but Dinosaur Gertie’s is one of the last in existence.

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